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I had an email from an English gentleman that had been to Cuba and has taken hundreds of photos of cars he saw while there.
These four images are of cars he believes to be DeSotos, but needed help in identifying year/make/model.
It's supposed to be fun!
1949 De Soto Custom Convertible (project)
Did anyone get the driver's address or phone number??? There probably a lot more out there too! Wonder when we can take a vacation there and buy some out. I imagine they know what they have and how much they can really get.
Happy New Year here from The Netherlands
I have booked a round trip in the beginning of March for Cuba
i Will take a lot of pictures hopefully of Desotos.
on the internet i found an original custom convertible 1949
keep you informed
gr Peter Boudesteijn
By the way
it was in the news in ou country that it will become possible for US citizens to visit Cuba
within reasonable Time
That's too cool, Peter.
I have a grill hanging on my wall that feller needs!
It's supposed to be fun!
1949 De Soto Custom Convertible (project)
Yes
My first thought was perhaps can i find some spares,
but it will be better to take my spares with me to finance the vacation.
gr Peter
Peter,
With little access to spare parts for 55 years, those Cuban car owners have had to improvise. This recent article makes it clear these are mostly not all original cars.
They're alive! Cuba's Frankenstein classic cars
Tom DiChristopher
CNBC
A classic taxi car cruises the streets of Havana, Cuba.
About 10 years ago, McKeel Hagerty traveled to Cuba, where the auto enthusiast and CEO of Hagerty Insurance Agency met up with some of the custodians of the country's iconic classic cars.
During the trip, a member of one of its many car clubs invited him for a ride in his 1956 Cadillac. Hagerty remembers the car being in good shape, even if some of the chrome was touched up with silver paint.
But then the owner turned the key—and a diesel engine roared to life. It turned out a Peugeot engine was under the hood.
Car collectors hoping to go treasure hunting in Cuba can expect to find many American classics in the same shape. The cars have been lovingly maintained through generations, said Hagerty, but they are Frankenstein monsters, products of America's 54-year-long embargo on the island nation.
The collision of old cars with new parts puts a question mark over how they may be valued if President Barack Obama's recent diplomatic overture eventually results in renewed commercial ties.
It may also disabuse a few assumptions people hold dear about the autos that rove Cuba's streets.
"There's just this fascination with this idea that there's this treasure trove of collector cars sitting there waiting to be discovered or found, when in fact it's more of a time capsule," Hagerty said.
Cuba saw a mid-century boom that filled Havana's streets with Detroit steel, which remained after the socialist revolution and into the embargo years. At that time, car owners were forced to become auto parts fabricators for lack of access to American parts.
The best way to view these cobbled-together classics are as curated pieces of art from a long-gone era, Hagerty said. Their value lies not in their authenticity, but as artifacts that could have only arisen out of Cuba's tortured history with the world's largest economy.
"It's like the Galapagos Island from a car evolution standpoint," he said.
Hagerty believes the best of the cars could make it onto the auction circuit and attract bids in the low six-figures. That price level would represent a premium of two or three times the average value of the car.
One of the models collectors can expect to find in abundance is the 1956 Cadillac Series 62, which has an average value of $51,465, according to Hagerty Insurance. There are also plenty of Pontiac Chieftans, valued on average at $32,900, and Chevrolet 210 sedans, which average $15,700, Hagerty said.
But some collectors will be looking for what he calls the holy grail: one of the high-performance Maseratis, Jaguars, or Ferraris. Those sports models once raced through Havana's streets during the brief period when former President Fulgenica Batista brought a Grand Prix to Cuba.
The footnote in history is best remembered for the kidnapping of Formula One World Champion Juan Manuel Fangio by rebels aligned with Fidel Castro at the second grand prix in 1958. A speedster from this period could fetch many millions of dollars, Hagerty said.
It is not impossible that a Mazerati 300s or Jaguar D-Type is sitting under a tarp somewhere. Back in the 1950s, racing teams would often sell their cars at the end of international races because it was too expensive to haul them home, the CEO said. At the time, Cuba was also a rich country with many willing buyers.
But unearthing one of these treasures is not likely either. Most of them left the country long ago, and there were only about 20 or 30 teams that raced in each of the three years of the Cuban Grand Prix, said Hagerty. He once encountered a Cuban Grand Prix car in Argentina that belonged to a Cuban citizen who snuck it out of the country during the revolution.
As for the fate of Cuba's car clubs and the culture of do-it-yourself repair, Hagerty believes it will persist even if the United States lifts the embargo.
"These guys have been doing it so long, I imagine a lot of them will stick with what they have," he said.
"I think they'd all like to have their lifestyle and income improved, but you can tell there's a nostalgia for how they've been able to survive, as well," he added.
Link to video: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102283724
During the trip, a member of one of its many car clubs invited him for a ride in his 1956 Cadillac. Hagerty remembers the car being in good shape, even if some of the chrome was touched up with silver paint.But then the owner turned the key—and a diesel engine roared to life. It turned out a Peugeot engine was under the hood.
This might be off topic but this quote stirred a memory. I was in England in 1961-1962 in the Air Force. My wife and I lived in Ipswich and I had made friends with two guys that had a little repair shop/used car lot/junk yard business across the street from where we lived. They always had something weird and interesting going on there and I went over there quite a bit just to see what they had going on. One day they had bought a 1953 Cadillac body with no drive train. They were in the process of putting a 4 cyl. diesel engine and transmission in it that they had taken out of a truck. I asked them if they were sure that little engine was going to pull that Cadillac down the road. One of them said rather indignantly "it pulled that truck down the road". I left before they got it done so I don't know if they ever got it finished. I really wanted to see how fast that big old Cadillac would go with that engine and transmission.
I added a fifth image of a car that Mr. Singfield is still hoping people can help him to identify.
It's supposed to be fun!
1949 De Soto Custom Convertible (project)
Tim....here is my best guess of the cars in the photos listed top to bottom in the order they appear at the top of this thread:
1) 1958 DeSoto Diplomat (DeSoto Firesweep front end on a Plymouth body. For export only.)
2) 1956 DeSoto Fireflite
3) 1957 DeSoto Diplomat
4) 1956 Plymouth Belvedere
5) 1954 DeSoto Diplomat (DeSoto grille on a Plymouth body; export only)
I agree, Mark.
The Plymouth Belvedere looks 100% Plymouth except for the letters D E S O T O on the hood. Probably the Plymouth hood met a sad fate....
It's supposed to be fun!
1949 De Soto Custom Convertible (project)
Tim,
Upon closer inspection that '56 Plymouth must really be a DeSoto Diplomat. I did not see the DeSoto letters on the hood until you mentioned it. Prior to 1957, DeSoto Diplomats were Plymouth bodies with a modified DeSoto grill. When DeSoto lost its teeth in '56, the modified grille for the DeSoto Diplomat was simply the bit of screening in the center emblem to mirror the senior cars. Much easier to spot a '57 and later Diplomat with the Firesweep front end mated to a Plymouth body.
Mark
A lot of nice looking cars in the Cuba photos,....Good job with the camera!!!!! I am guessing that in a while, some of the classics seen(and un seen) will be available to purchase, by those looking, for the right price. I still have that really nice 48' custom for sale. Its still in southern CA.......GERRY