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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12643</link>
                        <pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2021 02:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Love it David, I&#039;ll be ripping my dash apart as well come October when I get to pick up my Firedome. Great to see the details in advance, just gives me an idea of what to expect]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it David, I'll be ripping my dash apart as well come October when I get to pick up my Firedome. Great to see the details in advance, just gives me an idea of what to expect </p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Bernie Moen</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12642</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2021 22:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[David, I have a question. Sondra and I are looking for a 1959 Desoto 4 door hardtop. One thing she is insisting on is Air Conditioning. We are only going to look at cars that are Very Good t...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I have a question. Sondra and I are looking for a 1959 Desoto 4 door hardtop. One thing she is insisting on is Air Conditioning. We are only going to look at cars that are Very Good to Concourse.</p>
<p>I need to spend the next 2 years rebuilding out daily driver of the last 20 years the 1947 Desoto Suburban.</p>
<p>At one time I had 2 fully restored (I did it myself) 1964 Chrysler 300-K's. A coupe and a convertible. So I have a good feel for the dash on these cars.</p>
<p>What I wanted to ask, is what kind of mess would I get into if I purchased a '59 and had to swap out the necessary parts to put in factory AC? I am aware of the engine side, the big evaporator unit is a semi-direct swap on that side. It is the under dash changes that worry me.</p>
<p>Do you think it could be done without pulling the entire dash?</p>
<p>Thanks for your thoughts.  James</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>James_SF_Douglas</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12537</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2021 06:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Things are starting to come together! I am only waiting on the chrome to be finished at this point - everything else is on me. Since my last update, I repainted my pushbutton letters, got my...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things are starting to come together! I am only waiting on the chrome to be finished at this point - everything else is on me. Since my last update, I repainted my pushbutton letters, got my dash components back from powder coating and started reassembly, cleaned up the crusty parking brake bezel, test-fit the dash pad (I need to repaint it and trim it), installed the power steering box and steering arm, and installed the heater control valve, fan box, and heater hoses. I also tested the back-up light switch on the side of the pushbutton cluster since my back-up lights don't work. The cluster switch is working fine, so it probably is the transmission switch that I will look into once the car is back together. I have at least eliminated one possible suspect while everything is apart and accessible. I need to get to the store and get a bunch of paints, screws, and other supplies to finish a few small items, such as repainting the interior lower windshield trim, the mirror, the speaker grille, etc. I also need to get electronics cleaner for the panel light rheostat to see if I can get full range of functionality from the current ~75% range. If I can get everything I need, most of that stuff should be done in the next week or two.</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>DavidFrank</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12524</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@davidfrank
I’m assuming the insignias are plated (be nice if it weren’t), so your caution was prudent. I’m wondering if vinegar might be an alternative as a non-abrasive approach?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@davidfrank</p>
<p>I’m assuming the insignias are plated (be nice if it weren’t), so your caution was prudent. I’m wondering if vinegar might be an alternative as a non-abrasive approach?</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Roger Hubbs</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12523</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I have been spending time restoring the gauge and gauge face colors. The needles were easy enough, using some Testor&#039;s model paint and a small brush. The gauge and speedometer faces were mor...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been spending time restoring the gauge and gauge face colors. The needles were easy enough, using some Testor's model paint and a small brush. The gauge and speedometer faces were more difficult. I ended up using two size sewing needles to scrape out all the old paint and then the "average" sized sewing needle to apply Testor's flat cherry red paint. I did a few markings at a time and then wiped off the excess paint. The speedometer took two coats on the markings to get the thickness even (since the dash lights will shine through the markings). It was very time consuming and tedious, but it looks so much better restored back to red instead of the nearly white that it was from all the years of sun exposure!</p>
<p>I also have the dash and steering column components out for powder coating and the steering pump and steering box were both sent off to Power Brake X-Change in Pittsburgh for rebuild. That stuff should be back anytime not and then reassembly can start. I will mostly just be waiting on the chrome at that po</p>
<p>int.</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>DavidFrank</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12522</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@rogerhubbs believe it or not, I just used my fingernail to scrape. It was very slow and tedious, but I found it was hard enough to get the coating of corrosion off without damaging the fini...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rogerhubbs believe it or not, I just used my fingernail to scrape. It was very slow and tedious, but I found it was hard enough to get the coating of corrosion off without damaging the finish. Maybe a plastic scraper (like for applying decals) would have the same effect and be a little easier. I tried Dawn dish soap and water first, but it wasn't strong enough. Anything stronger and I was afraid it would damage the gold finish.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>DavidFrank</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12519</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2021 18:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@davidfrank
Hey David,
What did you use to cleanup the Fireflite insignia?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@davidfrank</p>
<p>Hey David,</p>
<p>What did you use to cleanup the Fireflite insignia?</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>Roger Hubbs</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12511</link>
                        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 02:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[In the past week, I took advantage of some warm weather here. I got the power steering box disconnected from the steering linkage and removed from the car so it can be sent out to rebuild. I...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the past week, I took advantage of some warm weather here. I got the power steering box disconnected from the steering linkage and removed from the car so it can be sent out to rebuild. I also pulled the heater control valve and sent that in to be rebuilt. 6 hours after arriving for rebuild, it was back in the mail all finished! That showed up yesterday and is ready to be reinstalled. I also removed the interior fan box and the pad behind it. I have two small spots on the firewall around openings that have rust that need to be repaired prior to reinstalling the dash. Speaking of the dash, I finished stripping everything down so the painted parts are ready for stripping and repainting. When I stripped the dash and removed the glovebox "Fireflite" emblem, I decided to clean it up right away. After a lot of time and tedious work, it looks almost like new! Below is a little before-and-after of that.</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>DavidFrank</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12493</link>
                        <pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2021 04:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I took a short break while the temperatures were cold (well below freezing), but today hit 40 so I worked on the car again. I got a tip on the removal of the steering column since I had foll...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a short break while the temperatures were cold (well below freezing), but today hit 40 so I worked on the car again. I got a tip on the removal of the steering column since I had followed the factory shop manual without success. The manual failed to mention you have to remove the turn signal switch to access a snap ring and a few other small parts that had to be removed before the column housing could slide up and expose the pin that holds the shaft to the steering box. Once I knew those extra steps, it was pretty easy. Out came the column and it was just a cotter pin. Next will be to separate the pitman arm, mark the shims, and remove the box. I already have the hoses disconnected.</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>DavidFrank</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: 1959 Dash Rebuild Saga</title>
                        <link>https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/1959-dash-rebuild-saga/#post-12485</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2021 02:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Last night I spent about 5 hours further disassembling stuff, including the clock and gauges. The clock was a bit of a pain because the set knob wouldn&#039;t unscrew and I wasn&#039;t 100% sure that ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I spent about 5 hours further disassembling stuff, including the clock and gauges. The clock was a bit of a pain because the set knob wouldn't unscrew and I wasn't 100% sure that was how it came apart. I was able to confirm that was correct, soaked it in Kroil, and later it came apart. Basically I grabbed the back of the stem (behind the large chrome ring) with a needle nose and on the set knob, I wrapped a rag and used another pliers to get it to break loose. Fun fact - the George W Borg brand of clock was made right down the road here in Delavan, WI as shown on the backside of the clock!</p>
<p>I also wanted to separate the center decorative chrome "button" from one of the gauge faces to replace it with a nicer one, but that was very tedious and slow because it's a one-way retainer ring that has to come off. That wasn't a problem with the outer gauge rings, but on the center "button", it's only supported by the plastic face and thus very, very easy to crack. Over an hour later of working at it with a sewing needle, I finally got it apart successfully. I also cleaned up my best switch knobs, gauge center "buttons", and the heater cover plate, which will be going back on the car as-is since they are very nice, along with the previously cleaned heater control buttons.</p>
<p>Today I dropped off the balance of the dash chrome at "The Chrome Shop" in Menasha, Wisconsin. They are supposed to be about the best in the state and have done a number of cars I know, including my uncle's '58, a local '56 Imperial, and many cars for Bob Schmidt (recall we toured his shop in Branson in 2018 as part of the convention). The lead time is out to around May/June, but that may be improved on (I hope) since I have a small batch of stuff. I do have to procure a new glovebox trim because mine has pull indentations from over-torqueing the trim at some point in the car's past life. What I dropped off is the batch of parts on the counter in the photo below.</p>
<p>Next steps will be looking at gauge and gauge face restoration as long as it's cold. As soon as the temperatures climb out of single-digit highs here, I plan to finish stripping the last couple items off the dash (mirror, Autronic eye, glovebox liner, Fireflite emblem) and also get the steering column and steering box pulled for rebuild. I also need to drain down the coolant a bit and pull the leaking heater control valve for rebuild as well while that's easily accessible.</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://desoto.org/community/general-discussion/">General Discussion</category>                        <dc:creator>DavidFrank</dc:creator>
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